Cadair Idris - Penygadair
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SH7113 : Penygadair summit encircled in cloud
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Overview
Penygadair is the highest summit of Cadair Idris in southern Eryri (Snowdonia), near Dolgellau. Its 892.7 m summit rises above glacial corries and lakes. The established summit paths are strenuous mountain walks requiring fitness, navigation skills and suitable equipment.
Cadair Idris — Penygadair
Penygadair is the highest summit of the Cadair Idris massif in southern Eryri (Snowdonia), near Dolgellau. DoBIH records 892.7 metres (2,929 feet), conventionally shown as 893 metres, and 606 metres of prominence. It is a Marilyn, Simm, Hewitt and Nuttall. The measured highest point is rock near the trig point; the summit area also has a cairn and a small shelter. DoBIH · Eryri summit approach
Walking routes
The National Park Authority grades its three promoted summit routes Hard/Strenuous. All need fitness, navigation skills and suitable mountain equipment. The following figures describe complete there-and-back itineraries.
- Minffordd Path: Dôl Idris car park, SH732116, to Penygadair and back by the same path: 9 km, 6 hours. The main summit path branches off before the Llyn Cau shore and continues along the ridge via Bwlch Cau. Identify the correct return path at the summit. Eryri route · Route instructions
- Pony Path: Tŷ Nant, SH697153, via Rhiw Gwredydd and Bwlch Cyfrwy to Penygadair, returning the same way: 10 km, 5 hours. Steep rock and a short scramble are part of the route. Eryri route
- Llanfihangel y Pennant: village car park opposite the church, SH672089, to Penygadair and back: 16 km, 7 hours. It approaches through the Dysynni valley and joins the Pony Path at Rhiw Gwredydd. Remember to take the original valley branch on return. This route does not start in Dolgellau. Eryri route
The Fox's Path is a demanding northern ascent on very steep, loose scree. A published circuit starts at Tŷ Nant, approaches through Llyn Gwernan and the two higher lakes, then returns from Penygadair by the Pony Path. It should not be presented as a gentler or leisurely alternative. Fox's Path description
A Minffordd-to-Tŷ Nant traverse uses the Minffordd ascent and Pony Path descent but finishes on the other side of the mountain. Arrange return transport before starting. The previous claim that a short road walk closes a 14 km circuit has not been verified.
Landscape and nearby summits
The massif contains Ordovician volcanic and sedimentary rocks. Near Penygadair, basalt lavas are interbedded with tuffs and mudstones; describing the mountain as mainly andesite and basalt is too simple. Glacial erosion shaped the corries and lakes, including Cwm Cau and Llyn Cau. British Geological Survey · NRW nature reserve
Clear weather brings views across southern Eryri and towards the coast. The Pony Path has views over the Mawddach Estuary; the Minffordd approach overlooks Llyn Cau and Tal-y-llyn. Visibility depends on conditions rather than a particular season. Visit Wales
Nearby summits include Mynydd Moel, 864.4 metres, and Cyfrwy, 811.6 metres. These are separate summits; adding one changes the itinerary. DoBIH
Access and facilities
Choose parking for the route: Dôl Idris for Minffordd, Tŷ Nant for the Pony Path, or the village car park for Llanfihangel y Pennant. Dôl Idris is just off the A487 on the B4405. Eryri uses SH732116 for its trailhead; NRW gives SH732115 for the car park. Both locate the same access area. Dôl Idris and Tŷ Nant charge for parking; check current arrangements. NRW access · Visit Wales access guide
The T2 bus serves Minffordd Hotel / Hotel for Cader Idris near Dôl Idris. Other places also use the name Minffordd, so select the correct stop and check the date-specific outward and last return services. TrawsCymru T2 · Eryri car-free guide
Dôl Idris has toilets, accessible parkland paths and picnic facilities. Eryri lists a visitor centre and seasonal tea room; check opening before relying on refreshments. There are no summit café or toilet facilities. Dôl Idris visitor facilities · Toilet opening information
Folklore and safety
“Cadair Idris” means “Idris's Chair”. The giant Idris and the tale of a night on the mountain turning someone into a poet or driving them mad belong to local folklore. Cader Idris is also a widely used spelling. Visit Wales
Expect rough, sometimes wet ground, steep rock, loose scree and serious cliff edges. Cloud can hide both the path and drops. Avoid gullies as shortcuts; the Stone Shoot beside Bwlch Cau is hazardous. Take a mountain forecast, map and compass, warm waterproof clothing, food, water and a torch, and allow for the complete descent. Snow and ice require winter skills and suitable equipment. Keep dogs controlled around livestock, stay on established paths and protect the reserve's vegetation. Minffordd hazards · NRW safety guidance
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Route planning notes
These notes describe possible approaches. Check a route's map and access information when planning your walk.
Minffordd Path (out and back)
From Dôl Idris car park (SH732116), climb the woodland steps into Cwm Cau, then take the summit branch before the Llyn Cau shore and follow the ridge via Bwlch Cau to Penygadair. Return by the same route to Dôl Idris, taking care not to follow the northern descent from the summit. Eryri gives 9 km and 6 hours for this round trip. Expect steep, loose rock, cliff edges and a short rocky scramble.
Pony Path (Tŷ Nant; out and back)
Start at Tŷ Nant car park (SH697153). Follow the Pony Path through farmland and up Rhiw Gwredydd, then continue via Bwlch Cyfrwy to Penygadair. Return by the same path to Tŷ Nant. Eryri gives 10 km and 5 hours for the complete outing. There are steep, rocky sections and a short summit scramble; navigation skills and mountain equipment are required.
Fox's Path ascent and Pony Path return
From Tŷ Nant, use the valley path and short road link towards Llyn Gwernan, then ascend the Fox's Path past Llyn Gafr and Llyn y Gadair to Penygadair. Return by the Pony Path to Tŷ Nant. The upper Fox's Path crosses very steep, loose scree and needs experienced mountain judgement. Map the full route before setting out.
Llanfihangel y Pennant Path (out and back)
Start at the car park opposite the church in Llanfihangel y Pennant (SH672089). Follow the valley approach via Gwastadfryn and Hafoty Gwastadfryn, joining the Pony Path at Rhiw Gwredydd before the rocky ascent to Penygadair. Retrace the route, leaving the Pony Path for Llanfihangel y Pennant on the return. Eryri gives 16 km and 7 hours. This is a long, strenuous walk from the Dysynni valley, not a route starting in Dolgellau.
Minffordd to Tŷ Nant via Penygadair (linear traverse)
Ascend from Dôl Idris by the Minffordd Path via Cwm Cau and Bwlch Cau to Penygadair, then descend the Pony Path via Bwlch Cyfrwy and Rhiw Gwredydd to Tŷ Nant. These trailheads are on opposite sides of the mountain. Arrange a transfer back to Dôl Idris in advance; no short road closure of the loop has been verified.
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SH7113 : Penygadair summit encircled in cloud
Jeremy Bolwell
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SH7113 : Trig point on Cadair Idris
Philip Halling
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SH7113 : View west from the trig point, Cadair Idris
Philip Halling
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SH7113 : View south from Cadair Idris
Philip Halling
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SH7113 : Penygadair summit trig point
Jeremy Bolwell
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SH7113 : Cyfwry from the summit of Penygadair
Jim Barton
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SH7113 : Penygadair - the highest peak in the Cadair Idris group
Eric Jones
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SH7113 : Shelter on Cadair Idris
Chris Thomas-Atkin
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SH7113 : Shelter near the summit of Penygadair
Alan Hughes
SH7113 : Stone shelter on Cadair Idris
Alan Hughes
Hill facts and local notes
Classifications
Elevation
893m
2,929 ft
Prominence
606m
Coordinates
52.6996, -3.9088
SH711130
OS Map
124
Explorer: OL23W
At the Summit
DoBIH identifies the highest point as rock near the trig point. There is a cairn and a small shelter in the summit area. Cliff edges lie close to the summit approaches; take care in poor visibility.
Terrain & Geology
Cadair Idris contains Ordovician volcanic and sedimentary rocks. Around Penygadair, the Pen y gadair Volcanic Formation includes basalt lavas, tuffs and interbedded mudstones. Glaciers later shaped the corries and lakes, including Cwm Cau and Llyn Cau; these are not simply the products of lava flows.
Views & Scenery
In clear weather, views extend across southern Eryri and towards the coast. The Pony Path overlooks the Mawddach Estuary; the Minffordd approach gives views of Llyn Cau and Tal-y-llyn. Cloud can obscure the summit at any time of year.
History & Heritage
Name Origin
Cadair Idris means 'Idris's Chair'. Local legend links the mountain to the giant Idris; this is folklore rather than a proven historical origin. Cader Idris is also widely used.
Historical Significance
Local folklore includes the giant Idris and the story that spending a night on the mountain could turn a person into a poet or drive them mad. These are legends, not evidence that an overnight stay is safe.
Getting There & Facilities
Parking
Choose the car park for your route: Dôl Idris near Minffordd for the Minffordd Path (Eryri trailhead SH732116; NRW car-park reference SH732115), Tŷ Nant for the Pony Path (SH697153), or the village car park opposite the church at Llanfihangel y Pennant (SH672089). Dôl Idris is on the B4405 just off the A487. Dôl Idris and Tŷ Nant charge for parking; check current arrangements before travel.
Public Transport
The T2 bus between Bangor and Aberystwyth serves Dolgellau, Minffordd Hotel (Dol-ffanog) near Dôl Idris, and Machynlleth. Choose the Hotel for Cader Idris stop, not another Minffordd. Check the date-specific timetable and last return before setting off; do not assume a bus serves Tŷ Nant or Llanfihangel y Pennant directly.
Nearby Facilities
Dôl Idris has toilets, accessible parkland paths and picnic facilities. Eryri also lists a visitor centre and seasonal tea room; check current opening before relying on refreshments. The car-park toilets are not open 24 hours. Dolgellau has additional services. There is no café or toilet on the summit.
Safety Information
Known Hazards
- Cliff edges and steep drops can be hidden by low cloud.
- Steep, loose rock and short scrambling sections occur on summit approaches; the upper Fox's Path has particularly loose scree.
- Choose the correct descent at summit junctions: different paths lead to different sides of the mountain.
- The Stone Shoot gully beside Bwlch Cau is hazardous and should not be used as a shortcut.
- Carry a map and compass and know how to use them; allow time and supplies for the full return.
Seasonal Hazards
Snow and ice can make the steep paths and cliff-edge terrain much more serious. Winter conditions require appropriate mountain skills and equipment. Check the mountain forecast, allow for short daylight and be prepared to turn back.
General Safety Tips
- Check weather conditions before setting out
- Carry appropriate clothing and equipment
- Let someone know your planned route
- Take a map, compass, and GPS device
- Carry emergency supplies: food, water, first aid kit, torch
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